My experience in blogging has been enlightening in a lot of ways.The blogosphere is only a microcosm and a reflection of the macrocosm. Its not so difficult to understand why there are wars and communal breakouts and prejudices and all the pettiness which dictates a stooping down of human character which defies any logical rationale .
I have had the good fortune to meet some really humane, progressive and enlightened souls here whose writings have touched the depths of my soul and brought forth a feeling of well being and an urge to better myself. This has happened often enough to make me want to keep writing.
On the other hand there have been encounters with the truly imbecilic kinds who opt to be armed with 'malice for one and all", which once again make you wonder as to why do some people blog?
A case in point: I had written a post "Kiss and learn" which was a think back on the Rakhi Mika incident. Mikas taking advantage Of Rakhi, had appalled and disgusted me. My son, a young lad of 17, in an effort to perhaps calm me and rationalise the issue pointed out that it could been avoided PERHAPS with caveats on Rakhis behaviour.Maybe a caution for others..he attempted to say.
The Mikas of the world are not going to vanish in the blink of an eye? So where was the harm in advising to be wary?? Only a stunted mind would interpret this argument as 'inviting to molestation' or seconding it.
So someone who calls Himself/herself 'confused' (apt alias) and writes at 'retributions' " Life is a streetcar named Desire' leaves a rather harsh presumptuous comment on the blog. I am ALL for divergent viewpoints, so published it , without a second thought. But when somebody wants to DISTORT there is no limit to the UNREASONABILITY it can descend to.. which led to this remark by 'confused..An example of how the blogosphere for some is a space to exemplify their decayed, decadent persona:
"But you sons's statement that he would not misbehave with his schoolmates only because they carry themselves well is intrinsically wrong. If they are not able to carry themselves upto his standards, will he misbehave with them then?"
If you read the blog you will realise the extent of distortion here. Somersault in cyberspace! Turn the argument on its head.. Further the word 'only' was added for effect to mute the argument.So, in other words,he/she conveniently resorted to Hypothesise, conjecture, create a faulty premise, and scream out the deduction, all in one go.. ALL because it suits his rant. Logic, reasonability be damned!!
Whats interesting or rather abominable is that while he goes around beating his chest stridently proclaiming himself as a guardian of womens rights and need to respect them, all he does when it boils down to his own actions is Utter Disrespect for me and others. All his claims disappeared into thin air huh? Of course ‘practise before you preach is as alien a concept to him as UFO’s were to Neanderthals. Hypocrisy!!
As a thumbrule I treat people on my blog with respect as I would expect them to treat me and other commenters. Almost every post has seen the emergence of an argument with a commentator or another. Likewise, this time too, I responded patiently, explaining how perhaps our point of view had not come across in a small write up, and proceeded to explain thus:
"lets face it, when an incident that is so unsavoury in its flavour and has chances of it becoming the 'flavour of the season'then all concerned citizens try to analyse, dissect and postulate their stand in the hope that such and such like are not repeated"
and I continued "There is a difference between our perception of reality and reality as it is. It would be ideal if we women were allowed to just 'BE'..wear whatever, do our bit and live life in as fast a lane as our male counterparts. Till such time as this does not happen, its PRUDENT that we keep ourselves at bay from predators.
This was the point my son was making and I agreed. Cannot pretend Mika is not there..but can be careful when in his vicinity."
This is an excerpt, an example of the tone and effort to elucidate on the post. Later, a host of commenters left their comments., as usual. I then receive a comment from confused again which was aggressive, derogatory and bullish in its tone and which I decided not to include.
I have the right to moderate my blog and NOBODY is going to bully his/her way in to my blog. Somebody called Chandni commented too, which was a repetition of the previous post of confused, and which was clearly a 'support' post for confused. IT showed NO EVIDENCE of being a response.. which meant that all I had written in the morning had been IGNORED. All that would ensue was a fruitless back n forth. The attempt now was anti-ALL crusade. A "My opinion above all else" unshakable obstinacy.. It was not carrying the debate any further, on the contrary turning into a rant..endless rant heading to nowhereland !
Since I have a flourishing day job and other things to attend to as well.. I thought it best to ignore it and move on. Also the fact that there appeared to have been multiple postings as evident from ip addresses.
But for some its more important to stir up a storm,a rather than accept free will of bloggers to moderate unacceptable comments and act in complete contrariness to their preachings, asking for respect but not showing any! The term 'control freak' has been coined for such as these..
The matter was over as far as I was concerned. But the malicious, libelous, unfair post by her/him invited a response. My kindness and lackadaisical approach had been misconstrued as weakness I suppose.
So 'confused' gives it a dimension adopted by losers.
He has been banned from other sites as well for the same reason. What is glaringly obvious is an inability to tolerate rejection of his viewpoint. So while he can embark on a rampage trying to demolish people and their freedoms, others have to bow in servitude to his "confused' bickerings. I also wonder really why he/she keeps referring to himself/herself as '"WE"..How many aliases are there ?
Its funny you know, when people use handle names themselves , go around the blogosphere hiding their true identity, then come on to a blog of a woman who speaks of her concern for the decay in society and exposes her son for the first time .. ALL UNDER HER OWN IDENTITY..while this alias chooses to make it a shouting match behind a MASK then makes a show of some GALLANTRY by ranting on his blog..This is not just HYPOCRISY.. but delusional sense of RIGHTEOUSNESS and lack of DECENCY..
All one needs to do is read the relevant post and my comments .
Soon this post will go lower and the matter will be forgotten. In fact I am purging it out of my system simultaneously while writing it.
I will continue to speak on matters which deserve attention, as I have on this matter, since I have a daughter who is in her twenties and can imagine that girls her age need guidance to face the predators. This post was an atttempt to do just that. Nobody can enforce views and people learn only when they are ready to.
Words are alive.. cut them and they bleed. Hope all who write on cyberspace would realise that and make an honest committment and effort to cultivate gentleness and kindness in speech. Debating, arguing, presenting your point can be done in a manner which desists from stepping on peoples toes. There are ample examples of a civilised discussion. If you dont adopt it then others will exercise their right to keep you away.
Viewing the larger picture from a broader perspective,if we cannot make somebodys day, why spoil it for them?
Anonymous left this comment ".a 'confused' mind equates vindictiveness with peace , defaming with contentment, and retribution with vindication."
Since my efforts at resting the contentious debate have been met with consistent indecency, I have no recourse but to solicit legal advice.
29 comments:
Kaveetaa,
as you know...I have been a regular here..you have never had to moderate my comments and a lot of times we had differing views ..put it behind you..This is YOUR BLOG. Nobody has the right to be rude and then insist on being included.. what shit!!
like anonymous said on the earlier post,you cannot demand respect, you have to command it. This person has proved what he is worthy of.
kaveeta,
Its not malice what the confused has shown coz that requires intelligence. This is an example of plain 'stupidity':)
am a newbie to the blogOsphere and i really find this aspect getting commercialized!! n as i said the ethicz escapez our generation that thrives mainly on junk food n think that sudden outburstz signify nirvana!
but wud say that u shud share the viewz of ur kids if u feel like. this aint a straight place but do we take a turn JLT?
he knowz not the taste of wordz delight.. why spoil ur mouth spitting?!
who has ever moved humanity save god? like the way u write.. as i say 'scribble'.. n hey u have my vote for 'blo-o-champ'!! cheer up.. smile n type away another nice post.. alles gute!!
ps: do read my scribblez sumtimes n lemme know how ya feel!n again.. don change ur streamz coz who knowz sumwhere deep inside u mite not like the compromise!!
kaveeta,
how does it matter what some 'imbecile' writes? youth is wasted on the youth.
another one"If malice or envy were tangible and had a shape, it would be the shape of a boomerang."
I sahll reply to all shortly..
Love and I am fine.. see above post.
Hey Kaveetaa,
Like der bergwind said.. cheer up..
So confused made me the star of her post!! How I love it!! And for sure it is a 'she'.. I donno why but men somehow would not rave n rant like this. It has to be a woman.. and she is lying about her identity. And not just that, she is someone who loves to doll up and expose and be like Rakhi.. it is so obvious. That is why she cannot bear the truth that if you cannot respect your self .. nobody will.. WOMAN..Learn to carry your self with dignity before you expect others to give you any!! Like your behaviour now confused.. what do you expect.. respect?? You have only MISUSED your freedom to blog and say what you want.. CONFUSED>>> HOW TRUE!!
This is a fave poem.Wish I had written it.
Confused, you sure will be coming here to gloat, oversee, use as refernce, quote for future posts.
For your eyes only, a fit description for your bio-profile
Fools way,
molded drools sway,
no break rules clay.
Frozen in ice,
pitching a fools dice,
gracing a duels thrice.
Three strikes out,
running a fools route,
can't change the tools,
caught with the fools.
Common sense void,
logically so paranoid.
Life in trance,
stuck in a oneway glance.
Can't see others,
no respect of sister & brothers.
A world in yours,
slime sweat pours,
fools gleamers.
____________
have a lot more where this came from. On the blogosphere there is no dearth of dem obnoxious ones. These come in handy :)
Personal opinion is an odd thing. I mean an opinion is only an opinion when someone besides yourself gives an interpretation on something in the world. An opinion to an individual person is fact to them while to another person, it is merely another person's opinion. And no opinions are ever the same in the sense of the reasoning behind them. Each person's opinion is unique to them based on the circumstances of their life. Particular events of their life and their own interpretation of those events shape a person's opinions.
But most people don't realize that. People spout off opinion (ironic, isn't it?) as if its cold hard truth. People might preface what they say with "This is just my opinion", but damned if they think it is anything but fact. If I think something, its not a maybe, its a definite... especially if its worth telling to other people.
People just sometimes forget the fact that different people believe and stand for different things and it has to be explained from their perspective.
And that's what you have to do when it comes a matter of personal opinion. I don't argue with people to make them assimilate to my views, that's just retarded. I argue so they can see the other side of the coin, the other side of the argument. And that is to say, there are two sides, but there are of course many, many sides to everything.
My perception of reality is personal, it is unique, and so is everyone else's. Why would anyone want it any other way? The idea is that we share these perceptions with open-minded people, we celebrate the differences, understand when we can, empathize when we can't. And maybe, on rare occasions when we meet someone of a particular flavor, someone exceptional, we can give them a long, tasty drink of who we are, and take one in turn. That's when it gets really fun. When you get to have two realities that overlap in just the right places, but keep a corner of mystery aside for exploration!!
hmmmm..a 'confused' mind equates vindictiveness with peace , defaming with contentment, and retribution with vindication..
In need of help..
but let the good work carry on..this too shall pass:)
Kav:
could write a lot on folks like
rakhi and mika but last
i checked am behind and god
does’nt make time anymore
so will have to do with my
allotment and just say this
rakhi and mika both are
dreg, dross, detritus
better not to waste any
time over their antics
ps: haven't read you on DC lately
Nothing new believe me..happened on various other blogs
mary had a little lamb......wherever that mary went the lamb was sure to go. so its a package deal.. agree with confused and chandnis ok.. disagree with either and the caboodle descends on you. This safety in numbers bit is soo passe..its like an sos they send each other for rescue..hehheheh.. and there is another one in delhi too..i know in the rescue team.
dont mind them..is it them?? they are avoidable..and that confused does sound like a female.. no offence meant.. but that rant!
Ok..so Im back and ready with my priceless comments..
so now the babli of the bunty and babli duo is wringing her hands, jumping like a monkey on a hot tin roof. Too hot to handle eh?? Why?? it was fine till bunty went around bitching on his blog.. but once you get it back then cry FOUL??? who started IT??
in other words.. you should be either allowed to puke your opinion on a blog or then will throw a tantrum and go and puke it on your blog!!
but enlightening all with your opinion is a MUST..whether we want it or not..In the name of free speech and that shit.. you can go around casting aspersions on all and then shout in disgust when you have to sleep on the bed you make!!
cant believe the obsession people have to opinionate at any cost, anywhere, everywhere, and on everything. God almighty.spare us the from the frustrated.
to act cheap is your prerogative and to call you cheapos is ours.. Got that??
also read some chicks comment on matrons.. laughed my guts out.. have been here since Kaveetaa had her snap on the blog. had you seen it, this definitely was one comment that would not have happened!! You guys sure new out here..no wonder so green behind the ears.
Temporal ..I loved your comment..rakhi and mika... hee hee.. too cool.. sure know which ones you are referring to. Confused mika and chandni rakhi..right?? hand it over boss.. u are great.
this mika and rakhi will surely take a while before they start off on any of their antics again.. pissed haan? so you know where to go to p***.
come on...next round.
I have read many a blog, but never imagined the cheapness to an extent of the kind which is being expressed by chandni and confused can actually happen. I mean really...these guys are f***** up. There is simply no other way to describe them. If the guy confused is what he claims he is then I have a suggestion.. JERK OFF>>> it might do you good, you pent up frustrated masked wimp..Sorry Kaveetaa I have never used these words on your site, but this has never happened. And for such like, you have to talk in the language they understand. Limp noodles like the two hide behind aliases and target people. Shame.They are rotten to the core. Being a nuisance is also a purpose of existence I guess. Cockroaches exist.. these are the pests of cyberworld.
Disgusting, and shameful
Oh you can say that again sanjay.
And that sleaze Chandni has the gumption to say this is not a fair fight when that Bunty goes around making it worse...Imagine attacking without a face?? and she comes buck teeth and fat a***ed I presume considering their height of frustration..
How can people take this beyond all proportion just because their comments were not included in a blog??? They must be really in love with themselves and their OPINIONS.
Paper thin egos and such low self esteem that everything is considered an assault. Besides they suffer from the 'Black" disease.. only difference while they cannot see and hear what they are writing, they are latched on to every word of ours. I said it last time too.. I am happy to be called any name .. who cares what opinion these guys have .but I will give it back as good as I get...they have included me in every post and to think that I am gonna back off coz some two chit freakos think they can go around puking their venom, they are so sadly mistaken. This Rakhi and Mika of cyberspace need a dressing dowm they will remember.And Kaveetaa it will be wise if you keep out of this.These level of people need a particular brand of treatment.
Friends,
I would like it very much if we put an end to this matter.
Let us not do what they have been doing. To each his own. I have said what I had to say.
Let us move on.
Thanks
You are making a big mistake kaveetaa.
DONT CAST PEARLS BEFORE SWINE..
they dont deserve it and cannot value it.
If you think that your being goody goody is going to be understood by these assholes then you are MISTAKEN.
confused were you molested during your growing up years?? still suffering from paranoia about those times?seems pretty obvious.. you attack only women you know..wimp.. all were women in that turdy post of yours..dont have the balls to go after MEN????
deal with me confused..that is after you have taken your face off the cunt of that woman..
you think you are going to abuse on your site and have the last word just coz kaveetaa made the mistake of calling it off?? so you take off on a tangent again!!
its clear for everyone to see that you go from I to WE after you are accused of ids...WHY????
Sick, demented and retarded nerds are not committed to asylums these days .. they are defecating all over the blog.
Puja,
I was hesitant about publishing your post to avoid a continuum, but after I read the last comment by Confused I admit I was wrong in calling it off.
Confused,
I am addressing you directly now. My decision to not allow you on the blog stands vindicated. You have proved beyond an iota of doubt that you are an insufferable creature worthy of contempt.
Despite my request to my commenters to desist from making any more nasty remarks, you have once again stirred up bitterness. From what is obvious you thrive on it and are indeed frustrated. I can see no other cause for so much ire from the very beginning.
So I will not disallow any comment henceforth by any of my commenters which retaliate in the same measure that you have sickeningly adopted.
AND.. I have ALL the ip addresses. I have not initiated or said anything derogatory. YOU HAVE. I will also consult my lawyers as to the legal action that can be initiated against the CONFIRMED ip addresses.
kaveeta,
I have friends who can handle this legally for you. Will get back on this.
cheers!
Thanks S,
I happen to have business partners and friends too at Camden where he lives.So shall contact them for legal advice.
Following is the comment by Confused which precipitated an already worsening situation, despite my best attempts to keep it low.
but some people just dont want to learn!
Quote:
23. Confused Says:
June 25th, 2006 at 12:38 am
Chandni,
Respect! You gotta kidding me! That woman does not even understand that a point of view opposite to her can exist and you talk about respect.
But wait, you expect that from someone who is a downright liar. Our rant was prompted by a specific allegation by Mrs. Kaul
am saddened and disappointed, as also taken aback at the resorting to multiple ids by a new female commenter here. Not only does she have one active id and a blog, but TWO of each.
Her comments on the mail disclosed the fact. Gmail.
In her desperation to give the impression of majority voices ascribing to her viewpoints she resorted to the above
Ah! Before ranting here we left a comment on Mrs. Kaul's blog that we are not using multiple identities but obviously that comment never appeared, so we ranted here and demanded the proof since she had made a very serious allegation.
So what does this woman do? First play Dumb which comes natural to her, it seems, second play victim, third obfuscate issues. So multiple identities has become support comments:whatever that means!
So, how do you expect this liar to allow your comments on her blog? She is a hypocrite beyond belief. Let me put this in bold:
This woman is a liar. Period!
Second, let us examine this cretin called Pooja.(Yes, we know you are reading, please take notes and report it to Mrs. Kaul or you know you will get spanked)
So what are the points this embroy-woman has made:
1. Confused is the same as Chandni, or the other way around..
2. Confused and Chandni are both ladies!
3. Confused and Chandni are Rakhi and Mika!
???????
Excuse me Pooja, needless to say you are a dumbwit but of this level? I mean, the rock outside my door is more intelligent. Get your head off Sanjay's ass, take in some fresh air. Feel better? Now try to understand what you are trying to say, if that is a task beyond you then ask Mrs. Kaul do it for you.
So, it is quite clear that this women is beyond help. She thinks I made her a heroine of my rant for giving her a mention of three words in my 800 words rant. Quite clearly, a cretin desperate for some attention.
Well Pooja, we have given you enough attention. Now you can spend the rest of your life on that.
No, need to thank us. We thank you for all the entertainment value. Please continue to provide the entertainment on Mrs. Kaul's blog, but we need to move on.
Good luck!
@Mariam.
Priceless! Playboy eh. :) Send a copy to this Pooja, boy does she need some attention!
Fight with equals....................
Mediocres deserves no attention.........
dont belittle yourself..............
dogs bark.......................
pay no heed.........................
"Hope all who write on cyberspace would... make an honest committment and effort to cultivate gentleness and kindness in speech.... There are ample examples of a civilised discussion. If you dont adopt it then others will exercise their right to keep you away..."
Kaveeta, I loved the eloquent way you put this across on your blog, which is why later on I was surprised to see some really vile language (from a commentator)in your comments section.And unfortunately you let them through.
I really hope it was not because you thought this person was trying to support you. Because she hurt your stance more than helping out.
I hope you will filter out ALL vile and derogatory remarks regardless of which camp they come from.
Other than that, I must say I agree with your viewpoint on the original post.
hi i guess my comments about the same commentor might have sounded flippant and weary but u know kaveeta which post we are refering to...i am not telling what to do...but maybe a little editing could have helped...
it was deragatory language and as it is with all abuses they humiliate women more than men...
Meenu & silbil,
you referring to me right? now i dont want to defend myself becoz its pointless ...those who see the point dint need to be explained to and those who dont want to, will not ..no matter what.
but not one to take things lying down, i think this is something i want to clear out once and for all.
following is the comment made by confused which got to me
"Excuse me Pooja, needless to say you are a dumbwit but of this level? I mean, the rock outside my door is more intelligent. Get your head off Sanjay's ass, take in some fresh air. Feel better?"
You guys Im sure did not find anything wrong with that..I DID.."GET YOUR HEAD OFF SANJAYS ASS???!!!"
how was this any lesser than what mika did to rakhi?? and he/she goes around trying to be a crusader.if he was a womans libber advocate then how did he take on this tirade against all the women who banned him? either respect all women or dont act as if you do!
I was PROVOKED .. and then I have the right to give it back as good as i get.It was he who began the ruckus. Every post made by Chandni/ confused made me a target.
I have been here since almost the beginning and never have such people commented here. I dont write under other names..you can check with K..different people react differently to things. If this confused could go on a Rant in the cheap manner that he did without a provocation, then I HAD THE REASON AND PROVOCATION. Maybe i flew off the handle, but it was getting too much.
silbil,
I dont indulge in fence sitting and neither do i care for those who do. i have read all your comments. you normally dont know who you agree with or not.. read them. you start with this and then go on to disagree wholly with confused but dont want to say it. I dont play politics. I was very angry at the way he dealt with this non-issue and tried to humiliate kaveetaa , so i spoke. i would have done the same for you had somebody done this to you. i feel strongly for a 'wrong doing' and always on the side of right. If you or others like to sit back and see the 'circus', then all the best to you. but I want to respect myself so would rather be a voice for or against.
puja unfortunately doesn't have a blog otherwise i wouldn't leave this comment here...
i have frequented confused's blogs and read a few posts and also left comments there...
but i did not really emotionally connect (what ever emotions can happen in this virtual blogspehere) to his blog as much as i do to kaveeta's blog ever since i chanced upon this blog in februry this year so i do bother about the quality of the posts here and comments...
i am confused because as a person i don't believe in black and white opinions as i do belive that i am talking of human reactions to things and not chemicals...
i did not come up to kaveeta's defence becasue i did not think she needed any...
it is her blog
she knows what to do...
i personally thought legal action was a bit taking it too far but that is only my opinion...and as she says if you can't make someone's day why spoil it for them...
and for the very amusing comment that i play politics (i guess coz i told kaveeta and confused both that this fight is silly and lets move on) ...i have nothing to say puja that i am an adult and i treat kaveeta and her opinions as something/one i admire and respect and i don't see her as my heroine(she i am sure doesn't mind that) i don't have to prove how loyal i am to her...
and though kaveeta has moderated two of my comments meant for you...
i do believe still that saying things have you been molested wghen you were growing up ...is that why you are such an assholes...reek of insensitivity...
i don't give a damn about sanjay's comments because i don't really care about his opinions on other topics (especially gender sensitivity) but i 'used' to read yours carefully....
you know there are a few things that i don't like about kaveeta's blogs also....but while some mildly annoy me (so why say them is what i believe in...i am not her conscience...just a reader of her opinions) and some provoke me to comment here...i guess that you would call politics and living a farce...
and if you read all my comments ONLY because you wanted to write this comment...
puja i mighht be tempted to repeat something that some other blogger said somehere...get a life...grow up...
Meenu,
I agree with you. But after reading pujas response I think she has a point. Either be a crusader for womens respect to the hilt or dont sham it.
Beating his chest for respecting women Above All and Irrespective , Confused then goes all out to do just the opposite with kaveeta and the other women!
So what has his mother taught him?!!
Actions speak louder than words and his have exposed him!!
kaveeta is a beautiful person on the outside and inside. Her words have helped me through many a tough times.I dont care how this sounds, because it is the truth and I will say it.
As for the topic, i have noticed that those who live abroad have a different take on it in comparison to those living here, since in India the problem is so on the face tht we dont talk of rights but solutions. That is why over 70% have voted that rakhi should have been careful. I agree totally.
And now I think we should all get a life..
i kind of expect that the previous comment of mine will be moderated...
and i do not think kaveeta will be doing anything wrong by not putting it here...
it felt nice to be out of my system anyway...rest is up to kaveeta!!!
since some loyal and honest people here see confusions and weighing both sides as playing politics...
and indifference because i don't care for a particular fight too much as fence sitting..
i don't think my opions must annoy their pure consentitious hearts...
so guess this is my last comment
will read your blogs and refrain from commenting...
good luck and all
Whoa!! What do we have here:)
Girlz!! I love u all!! Chill!
silbil...all d best
Puja..babe, I sure am deciding to have a blog of me own and you are cordially invited...Am also planning a visit home..Would love to meet up..shall ask K for details of you. Please oblige..you can never know..I might be just the answer for all those prayers..chuckle..chuckle..Lighten up guyz..
"And I will always love you..ou ou ou "
silly billys..lil girls...
UMMMM..sensitivity is universal ....not one over the other... love...if you be all agog to give then why complain to take? all the best dear..but you will be followed by you wherever you go..cant escape the ego...its THERE....looming large...you can either love yourself or the world.....mutually exclusive you see....
Confused?? whats new???......sermons and preachings ....just a tongue full of words....walking on the path of that slippery slope...slides downwards into hell......blabber...blabber......prove worth....act.....the gemini...evades...twins.....one on each side....both confused...a lie is a lie..IS...a ...lie...
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